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		<title>Comment on Human Rights Day tweet by malatmals</title>
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		<dc:creator>malatmals</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 15 Dec 2011 20:33:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>Comment on re: Proposal: A new kind of blog comment system by admin</title>
		<link>http://lotect.com/2010/08/22/re-proposal-a-new-kind-of-blog-comment-system/comment-page-1/#comment-26</link>
		<dc:creator>admin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 23 Aug 2010 03:28:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Re: 2 I agree he&#039;s pushed us off into the fringe where it&#039;s harder to maintain/follow connections. I was doing twitter searches on his name @davewiner to see what other people were saying in reply. This works to some degree but degrades over time as other conversations get mixed in.

Re: 4 On a search page twitter itself does now have a show conversation link to show how they are related. Here&#039;s a picture of &lt;a href=&quot;http://img.skitch.com/20100823-bffc8i77b3rde2ajgnae7fwhye.jpg&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;one&lt;/a&gt;. This conversation could and did go on for quite a long time. The thing is Dave didn&#039;t start a conversation on Twitter so there really is no thread for it. A couple more conversations he had on the topic are &lt;a href=&quot;http://skitch.com/malatmals/dufeq/davewiner-twitter-search&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;here&lt;/a&gt;. Twitter may not be the solution but it has elements of the solution.

5. Generally yes but one thing Dave didn&#039;t really play to is that some posts get thousands of comments and the noise can be overwhelming. I started looking into solutions to blog comments and found http://aboutecho.com/ But if you look at someone using it (Leo Laporte) look - this &lt;a href=&quot;http://leoville.com/buzz-kill&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;post&lt;/a&gt; has 1543 &quot;comments&quot;.  

So I don&#039;t know there are complexities here deeper than are apparent at first sight. I think too the ideal solution depends on your blog/followers/your tolerance for pain/your subject. I want my journals peer reviewed but most my blog posts don&#039;t need to be. I can manage all my commenters easily. Words that come to mind which could be elements of the solution are threads, forums, crowdsourcing, ranking, weighting. Maybe Dave&#039;s blog is at a point where he could get some people to moderate for him. Some of his ideas are great and could spawn whole programs - maybe a forum could handle that coordination better. I feel bad he has to waste his time moderating a bunch of off-topic unhappy irrelevant posts. I mean some of the posts especially if they&#039;re long I have a habit of glossing over myself. I&#039;m going to research this a little more and see if I can&#039;t find some tools/methodology that could help.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Re: 2 I agree he&#8217;s pushed us off into the fringe where it&#8217;s harder to maintain/follow connections. I was doing twitter searches on his name @davewiner to see what other people were saying in reply. This works to some degree but degrades over time as other conversations get mixed in.</p>
<p>Re: 4 On a search page twitter itself does now have a show conversation link to show how they are related. Here&#8217;s a picture of <a href="http://img.skitch.com/20100823-bffc8i77b3rde2ajgnae7fwhye.jpg" rel="nofollow">one</a>. This conversation could and did go on for quite a long time. The thing is Dave didn&#8217;t start a conversation on Twitter so there really is no thread for it. A couple more conversations he had on the topic are <a href="http://skitch.com/malatmals/dufeq/davewiner-twitter-search" rel="nofollow">here</a>. Twitter may not be the solution but it has elements of the solution.</p>
<p>5. Generally yes but one thing Dave didn&#8217;t really play to is that some posts get thousands of comments and the noise can be overwhelming. I started looking into solutions to blog comments and found <a href="http://aboutecho.com/" rel="nofollow">http://aboutecho.com/</a> But if you look at someone using it (Leo Laporte) look &#8211; this <a href="http://leoville.com/buzz-kill" rel="nofollow">post</a> has 1543 &#8220;comments&#8221;.  </p>
<p>So I don&#8217;t know there are complexities here deeper than are apparent at first sight. I think too the ideal solution depends on your blog/followers/your tolerance for pain/your subject. I want my journals peer reviewed but most my blog posts don&#8217;t need to be. I can manage all my commenters easily. Words that come to mind which could be elements of the solution are threads, forums, crowdsourcing, ranking, weighting. Maybe Dave&#8217;s blog is at a point where he could get some people to moderate for him. Some of his ideas are great and could spawn whole programs &#8211; maybe a forum could handle that coordination better. I feel bad he has to waste his time moderating a bunch of off-topic unhappy irrelevant posts. I mean some of the posts especially if they&#8217;re long I have a habit of glossing over myself. I&#8217;m going to research this a little more and see if I can&#8217;t find some tools/methodology that could help.</p>
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		<title>Comment on re: Proposal: A new kind of blog comment system by John E. Bredehoft</title>
		<link>http://lotect.com/2010/08/22/re-proposal-a-new-kind-of-blog-comment-system/comment-page-1/#comment-25</link>
		<dc:creator>John E. Bredehoft</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 23 Aug 2010 01:19:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I addressed some of these issues in &lt;a href=&quot;http://empoprise-bi.blogspot.com/2010/08/if-you-dont-discuss-blog-post-at-post.html&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;my own blog post&lt;/a&gt;, but didn&#039;t do a point-by-point response to Winer&#039;s proposal. So in response to YOUR point-by-point response:

1. Agreed. I recently got back from nearly a week of traveling, and missed a lot of news during that period (I was lucky to happen to hear about the Intel-McAfee deal). I wouldn&#039;t want to miss the ability to react to something because I was on a really long bike ride.

2. This is my major problem with Winer&#039;s proposal. My interpretation of Winer&#039;s preferred reaction is for everyone to write their own blog posts in response, like you did and like I did. But it&#039;s difficult to find all of the blog posts that touch upon a particular topic (yours is the third one that I found on Winer&#039;s post, and I don&#039;t know if I&#039;ll find many more), and it&#039;s hard to have a discussion in a bunch of silos. 

3. Having the perfect comment is akin to having the perfect blog post - and if you&#039;re going to wait until it&#039;s perfect, you might as well just publish a book.

4. Frankly, I&#039;m not that hot on Twitter as a conversational medium either. You say later in your post that Twitter is effective &quot;with good tools&quot; - perhaps you can put enough lipstick on that pig, but if you need &quot;good tools&quot; to get Twitter to work, then Twitter isn&#039;t suitable for that purpose. Also regarding comment length, it&#039;s interesting to note that there are services like Kapost which do the very thing that Winer abhors - namely, allow you to write a long, detailed comment that could be promoted by the blog owner into a post on the blog itself.

5. See my comments on point 2. While a conversation at point B is a valid way to react to something at point A, isn&#039;t there a greater benefit (and a greater chance of results) if the conversation occurs at point A itself?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I addressed some of these issues in <a href="http://empoprise-bi.blogspot.com/2010/08/if-you-dont-discuss-blog-post-at-post.html" rel="nofollow">my own blog post</a>, but didn&#8217;t do a point-by-point response to Winer&#8217;s proposal. So in response to YOUR point-by-point response:</p>
<p>1. Agreed. I recently got back from nearly a week of traveling, and missed a lot of news during that period (I was lucky to happen to hear about the Intel-McAfee deal). I wouldn&#8217;t want to miss the ability to react to something because I was on a really long bike ride.</p>
<p>2. This is my major problem with Winer&#8217;s proposal. My interpretation of Winer&#8217;s preferred reaction is for everyone to write their own blog posts in response, like you did and like I did. But it&#8217;s difficult to find all of the blog posts that touch upon a particular topic (yours is the third one that I found on Winer&#8217;s post, and I don&#8217;t know if I&#8217;ll find many more), and it&#8217;s hard to have a discussion in a bunch of silos. </p>
<p>3. Having the perfect comment is akin to having the perfect blog post &#8211; and if you&#8217;re going to wait until it&#8217;s perfect, you might as well just publish a book.</p>
<p>4. Frankly, I&#8217;m not that hot on Twitter as a conversational medium either. You say later in your post that Twitter is effective &#8220;with good tools&#8221; &#8211; perhaps you can put enough lipstick on that pig, but if you need &#8220;good tools&#8221; to get Twitter to work, then Twitter isn&#8217;t suitable for that purpose. Also regarding comment length, it&#8217;s interesting to note that there are services like Kapost which do the very thing that Winer abhors &#8211; namely, allow you to write a long, detailed comment that could be promoted by the blog owner into a post on the blog itself.</p>
<p>5. See my comments on point 2. While a conversation at point B is a valid way to react to something at point A, isn&#8217;t there a greater benefit (and a greater chance of results) if the conversation occurs at point A itself?</p>
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